You’re Not Broken, You’re Magical! The Ultimate Wake-Up Call for Spiritual Enlightenment

“We’re not learning how to do it ,  we’re remembering.” 

Join Dr. Sandra Marie for a wildly transformative and joyfully rebellious episode of Happy Hour for the Spiritually Curious as she welcomes psychic medium, animal communicator, and energy healer Cinimon Clark.

Cinimon brought such rare and raw medicine to the mic,  truth bombs, humor, and divine rebellion all rolled into one.

In this raw and refreshingly real conversation, Cinimon dives deep into spiritual awakening, nervous system regulation, shadow work, and why it’s time to undomesticate your soul. Through candid storytelling, sacred humor, and practical wisdom, she explores:

• The difference between being kind vs. nice
• How animals, especially dogs, mirror our unhealed wounds
• Nervous system tools including a powerful vagus nerve reset
• The spiritual power of being neurodivergent
• How to parent your inner child and elder self
• Real-world magic, trusting your body, and calling back your power
• The deep healing and clarity that comes from being fully YOU

Whether you’re seeking spiritual guidance, craving a shift in energy, or need permission to laugh and be messy, this conversation is your permission slip.

Chapters

• 1:28 Cinnamon Clark: A Unique Blend of Psychic Abilities
• 2:41 The Journey of Merging Psychic Talents with Canine Behavior
• 8:17 Redefining Spirituality: Growing Up and Taking Responsibility
• 9:16 Lessons Learned from Animals
• 18:17 Redefining Spirituality: Growing Up and Taking Responsibility
• 24:11 Navigating Collective Energies and Sensitivity
• 28:00 Animals as Mirrors: Understanding Human Behavior Through Pets
• 36:25 Embracing Body Wisdom and Personal Transformation
• 39:12 Navigating Trauma and Building Boundaries
• 40:32 Understanding Energy and Spiritual Entities
• 44:52 Recognizing Personal Power and Spiritual Growth
• 51:00 The Importance of Self-Care and Body Awareness
• 57:18 The Role of Humor in Healing
• 1:01:02 Addressing Anxiety and Emotional Regulation
• 1:08:15 Cultivating Self-Love and Empowerment
• 1:12:58 Embracing Change and Self-Care
• 1:17:39 Creativity and Spiritual Practices
• 1:20:17 Undomesticated Living and Personal Empowerment
• 1:22:42 Navigating Change and the New Generation
• 1:25:18 Reclaiming Personal Power
• 1:31:19 Defining Moments in Spiritual Journeys
• 1:36:11 Creating a Spiritual Survival Kit
• 1:37:50 The Healing Power of Music and Nature

Transcript

Speaker 2 (00:03.084)
Enjoy this Wild Soul gathering production. I'm Dr. Sandra Marie. Pour yourself a really tall glass of spiritual curiosity and join me for the Happy Hour for the Spiritually Curious podcast. In the spirit of happy hour, cheers to some new insights, peace, revitalization, and perhaps an aha moment that may change your life. Welcome back to Happy Hour for the Spiritually Curious where we explore the mystical, the magical, and the downright mind blowing.

Today's guest is not your average psychic. Cinnamon Clark is a powerhouse medium, energy healer and animal communicator who connects with both the living and the beyond. Whether she's tuning into whispers of the spirit world or helping you understand really what's going on in your dog's head, Cinnamon brings a unique blend of intuition and insight and what happens when her psychic gifts cross over to the animal realm. Get ready for a fascinating, fun and eye-opening conversation.

That might just change the way you see the world and maybe even your four-legged friends. Welcome to the show, Cinnamon.

Well, you make me sound fancy. my word, I don't know if I'm that fancy, but thank you. And I'm thrilled to be here. I cannot wait. I'm telling you, talking about all this mess is my favorite thing.

Honestly, where to start, Cinnamon? I would like to cover what feels like three different areas of your work today. Let's just jump in if you're okay with that.

Speaker 1 (01:28.246)
Sure, I mean, you know, that's always been my problem is that I do all these different things, you know, I'm odd EHD, right? So I'm autistic and ADHD and then I have all these different special interests and so they all kind of converge because I'm a canine behaviorist as well and I've worked with highly aggressive dogs for 30 years. That's my thing. And so when you tell people, hey, this is what I do, they go, wow, that's fascinating. And then you say, I'm a psychic medium, animal communicator, energy healer.

blah, blah, blah, I got all the clairs clairvoyant, clarsenient, clairalient, clairaudient, all that crap. Then they go, that's fascinating, wow. And then when you merge the two, go, wait, what? And they cock their head like a German Shepherd, they're like, what? So I don't know how to merge at all.

Well, I'm going to help you out here. This is going to be really a fascinating talk. spent a lot of time on how I think we can chunk it out, but let's start with the dogs. Your journey led you to integrate your psychic abilities with your passion for animal rehabilitation, particularly in dog training and behavior modification, as you just mentioned. This is a unique blend allowing you to connect with both humans and animals. What led you to combine your psychic talents with your canine behavior expertise?

Yeah, but see, I didn't know that anybody... I thought I was like everybody else. I thought everybody else's dogs talked to them the way the dogs talk to me. When I was a little kid. Little kid growing up in Mississippi, I didn't know no better. I mean, as we say back home, I didn't know no better. And so, and then when I finally, it dawned on me like, oh shit, you mean your dogs don't talk back to you? Like everybody talks to their dogs, but then, ooh, and then I learned how to like shut that shit down. Like, okay, I'm the weird kid.

Clearly, but see there it is. Like this is really what I wanna kinda, if I can be so bold, like to overstep what you were just asking because I'm cool and all, but ain't nobody that cool. What I really wanna talk about is how everybody's got this psychic juju. Like freaking everybody, you know? And I think it's like everybody can paint, but not everybody's Michelangelo.

Speaker 1 (03:29.44)
everybody has their level and I think you're born with maybe an infinity for it and then if you practice enough like I've done with just so many dogs and so many readings, I've given thousands of readings and helped literally like thousands of dogs and now I can get details and specifics and just because I've practiced so damn much. But you know, ain't rocket surgery. Everybody can learn how to make it a little more.

and get a little more clarity and open up their psychic gifts a little more. Whether you want to talk to animals or dead people or whatever. Does that make sense?

It does. And it's like, I've had this desire to do all of those things, but I'm still trying to figure out how to do it, which is probably the problem is I'm in my head a lot trying to figure it out. But just like, even as you're talking, like in my brain, I'm going, okay, so the dog talks back. That is like super cool because I try to read eyes with my dog is sort of where I'm at. And then I'm thinking, okay, so you're talking to the dog and then you're talking to the guides for the people like.

Is it different? Does it feel different? Like, help me understand this. I truly am curious.

Oh my gosh, which way to go with that one. I feel like I'm supposed to say one thing first, because they put it in my little brain pan, I just say it, right? So the clear cognizant one is my main one, right? And so they just stick it in my head and I say it. And my mama, this is related here to this, what we're talking about. My mama got cataract surgery, right? This was years ago. And she came home and was healing up and everything and realized that she was blind in that eye and she freaked out. And she went back to the doctor cussing up a storm, you know?

Speaker 1 (05:04.908)
You blinded me. What is happening right now? And he did all the tests and he said, well, no, you physically, you're fine. Physically, you can see physically. Every single thing is normal and tests perfectly. You do not see with your eyes. You see with your head. And begrudgingly, she went home still mad as a hornet, you know, and and then like a week later, because she's like cussing like this is a bunch of horse shit. This is not even true. I can't even believe this. And he blinded me. What am I going to do? And then a week later, it's like

So can see. So I feel like that's the same sort of thing. I think this is where when people say autism is a superpower, that's the little niche in which I belong. Autism is very debilitating for me in so many other ways, but my ability to have a memory that's like a colander, like I don't remember a damn thing. I'm like a dog. Literally every 15 minutes is a brand new day. I'm like Dory from Finding Nemo. like, just keep sw-

But this helps me be light enough to go, okay, well, I guess it's true. I don't know, right? Because I'm not overthinking it. So I just believe what they stick in my head and I don't question it. And I just go, okay, well, I guess that's the way that it is. Just like dogs do, just like little kids do. If you go, hey, here are the rules. I go, oh, okay, cool. I guess that's the way it's supposed to be because that's what we're doing. You know, I just don't question.

And being autistic allows me to have this absurd level of confidence that I probably have no business having, but I have this amazing level of confidence and I just go, well, this is the way that it is.

Well, that's interesting because my spiritual teacher that I've been with for probably the last five years, he always says, well, if that's what you believe, that's your truth. So if I'm still waiting for this to be turned on, my belief is I have to wait for something to happen. I'll be waiting a long time because that's my belief is I'm waiting for something to happen.

Speaker 1 (07:05.112)
think it's admitting it, admitting it. And admitting it meaning, okay, well, being psychic comes standard on a human. This is factory settings, we come into the world this way. The animals taught me so much. The animals are clear sentient as a natural matter of course. This is just who they are as they move through their world. And my pattern recognition, because I'm neurodivergent, know, thank you ADHD and autism, I could pair together their physical behaviors.

and what I was hearing in my head. And when animals talk to me, it's usually pictures, it's the clairvoyance. And sometimes it's a claircognizance, but that's usually the spirit guides. But animals give me the clairsentience, like this feelings and emotions and pictures. But I could pattern that and connect that all together with what they're showing me behaviorally. Because a lot of times behaviorally, they present one way, but they're really feeling another. And so getting in tune with that, like, wow, this dog is highly aggressive.

but that baby is just scared. So when I worked at South Central Animal Shelter, you know, which was like, what was I thinking? Holy, what the, like that's a real blonde moment there. Like let's get the hyper sensitive animal communicator to work at South Frickin' Central Shelter in Los Angeles. But when animals would come at me in a highly aggressive way, my first instinct was like, my God, are you okay? wow, my heart hurts for you.

And then that's the energy that I was sending out. It's making me cry thinking about it because they're just lost. They just don't know. You know, I am tearing up because it's like a kid in the foster system. They just don't know. If you have a kid who's acting out, they're just processing trauma. That's all. Like it ain't hard to figure out, you know? And so when I send out like, hey, I got firm boundaries and I'm not going to let you bite me or kill me, but also I'm here to help you when you let me, you know? Tell me what you need.

And then we could open up like this dialogue. And again, I don't think it through. I'm just like the dogs. I go, ooh, this feels right. I'm gonna do that. And this does not feel right, so I'm not gonna do that. And they taught me so much about, well, how to be that. And I guess it's being present, right? Being present.

Speaker 2 (09:16.63)
One of my questions was, you know, what have you learned from the animals?

freaking everything? I mean really like everything. my god well they taught me how to be an excellent mother to my human child for sure because I know behavior because behavior is my special interest as well as the all the psychic stuff you know the psychic stuff in my own way I like the psychic stuff in my own way and and I am PDA profile autistic which is pathological demand avoidance

which is a horrible terminology, so I call it persistent drive for autonomy. And basically that means don't fricking tell me what to do. my God, don't tell me what to do because if you tell me what to do, I can't do it. I can't even tell me what to do. I wake up every morning and I go, let the negotiations begin because I have to push myself to brush my teeth, to make a meal, to wash clothes, to do anything because we get, know, Audi HD inertia, like it's just, it's a thing.

But at any rate, like the animals taught me so much how to be present. The animals taught me how to not overthink. The animals taught me how to feel. The animals taught me how to communicate. And they taught me to really slow down and pay attention to what's happening in the moment, to what they're saying. Because animals are talking to you all day every day. Just because you're not tuned into that frequency doesn't mean that they're not trying to communicate with you all the time. Does that make sense?

It does. Well, now I'm thinking I live on this farm and I have these goats and I have the cats and I have the dogs and you know, I the cows and I'm like, if they're all chattering at me, like that's a lot to tune in. I know that sounds silly. When I'm with them on a one-on-one or I'm doing something, it's different. And you do have a relationship with all of them. They always say, don't look an animal in the eye, I eyeball and stare down all my animals. Like that's how I communicate with them is.

Speaker 2 (11:11.158)
looking in their eyes and I think vice versa. So I'm going to ask you this, you find it easier to communicate with animals compared to humans or are there different challenges with age?

It's the same some animals don't know that they can communicate with me But this is why I have spirit guides because they can translate so if I'm talking to somebody's dead uncle Guido or whatever I don't know like and he does he only speaks a different language Then I don't frickin know how to speak Italian like so my guides will translate for me It's a lot of animals don't know and they get confused and they look around they go. Whoa, what's happening? Who what what and and then I have to go. Hey, it's me

Are we cool? Can we chat? And this is just sort of me hearing it in my head and sending it out into the world. And see, I think too, it's the same with any kind of spiritual anything, whether dogs or dead people or whatever, it's like this pendulum swing that we do. We overthink and then are we dismiss, right?

Or we go, well, it's just, this is ridiculous and animals can't talk back to you, that's stupid. Or it's a ghost hunters tonight at nine. We find this rocking chair all by itself in the third floor of the McKinsey house. It's like, for fuck's sake, everybody take a breath. Can we just be in the middle? Because in the middle is where the magic happens. When you are complete skeptic and you go, that's a bunch of horse shittery that I don't believe in, you're negating.

just I think 99 % of what's occurring on this planet right now. Because if you even go Google, like what do humans see on the spectrum of light, it's like this fricking hairs like scmidge. Like we don't see what a great blue whale sees at the bottom of the ocean. Like we don't see what an eagle sees. We don't see like a fly. We don't see like a butterfly. We're like, my God. So skeptic, that's absurd. Like knock that shit off. Be a little more open.

Speaker 1 (13:08.046)
and then don't go hunting, bum, bum, bum. The second you sensationalize it and make it like this big thing, your body immediately clicks, anomaly, not safe, don't know what's happening. Your body kicks into that gear of a, don't wanna let that in, I don't understand what's happening there. When you can be in middle of the road and you can admit it to yourself, okay, humans are psychic, this is the way that it is. So are animals, that's just how life.

works. I mean, I don't know what to tell you. This is just is what it is. So you're not a skeptic and you're not overthinking. You just go, okay, it is what it is. So of course animals are going to talk to me and that opens up well, because here's the thing. What we've all been trying to do spiritually is be more spiritual and be open and transcend and go higher. And I think that's just not what we're here to freaking do.

We're here to pay attention to our body and know what it's thinking and feeling and doing because, and here I think is the magic of everything. I'm sorry, I'm getting sidetracked here. Having a body is like having a pet and you have to brush the fur and you have to exercise it and socialize it and it's actually a big pain in the ass. All this animal has been, I mean, you have to feed it three times a day. my God, like I have shit to do. can't.

is freaking authenticity, like stop talking, go, well, and I meditate for hours, like, awesome, good for you, I ain't gonna do that, you know what I'm gonna do? I'm gonna eat some fricking potato chips and drink red wine and like read a book, like I don't need, and I have a potty mouth, like I think we, the balance.

is the important part. We can manifest all day long, want my clear cognizance, I want to be an animal communicator, I want to do all these things. But if your physical body, if your central nervous system is not regulated, you ain't getting shit. That's just how that works. I want the money and the this and the that. Well, you ain't getting a debt gum thing until your body feels it is safe to do so. So if you want all your psychic juju to kick in and to like...

Speaker 1 (15:14.702)
up for you, check in with her and see if she's okay. Check in with your body, how is she feeling? Does she feel safe enough to allow all this stuff in? Because that could be really scary for your body to have all these extra sensory things kicking. That's terrifying to some people's bodies, right? So it's I don't know, getting in tune with your body, knowing what she needs, understanding

what people, places, and things make her happy, and what people, places, and things make her feel wobbly. I call it wobbly when you're around negative energy or people who refuse to grow or people who are addicts. Unfortunately, their energy is very wobbly. It all feels a bit the same to me. And I go, oof, I need to be very mindful with whom I give access to me because they make me wobbly, because their emotions are so heightened.

And so I've, because of the dogs, again you ask what did the dogs teach me? I learned how to really ground myself when there is an animal who wants to kill me. I go, okay, I need to be really grounded because you know, lots of laws in the universe and you know, law of manifestation and all of these things, but there's also law of entrainment, right? If you have metronomes in a room and they're all going opposite, you leave, come back for an hour and they're all going the same.

the strongest energy in the room leads the way. So I have trained myself to be calm in a crisis, no matter what's happening, I lead the way. Because I found that's the safest way to go. You know, it keeps me from getting killed, right, with these animals that I work with. And it also, I am regulating everyone else's central nervous system. In essence, I am the therapy animal for everyone else. Again, I'm going off on a tangent.

Well, no, that makes total sense to me. By trade, I'm a nurse and I spent 30 years in inner city ERs.

Speaker 1 (17:14.273)
That tech for 15 years in LA, I was an emergency veterinary technician. I've seen it all.

Okay. Yeah. So you get it. Yes. That was one of my superpowers, right? Like when you're in those environments, that's why I was the evening charge nurse because I was able to be calm and have that energy. And you're right. It sets the tone. People follow it. It's a reset. It is. What I always say is what made me the A team or the A team at work did not always serve me well at home.

It's safety for them.

Speaker 1 (17:48.621)
God no.

You talked about spirituality. What does it actually encompass? So I think back in the day, spirituality was seen as an involvement from religion, right? Religion was with fear and control and spirituality was I communicate with the creator, whatever terminology you use, the universe, all that's in the universe, myself, I don't need any intermediaries and it's...

fun and it's enjoyable and it's curious. So now I'm not sure that definition, if it...

ego. It's growing up. That's what it is. It's growing up. mean, this was 2024 energy and now for sure 2025 energy. Spirituality, the definition is now, at least according to all the people I speak with, it's growing up. It's growing up. Growing up meaning we are now en masse releasing victim mentality. En masse, we are releasing patriarchy, white supremacy, capitalism and religion because it's all one monster.

and it's crumbling as we speak. And this allows us to go, hey, wait a minute, I actually want to be responsible for everything I do, say, think and feel. I wanna have a human experience. I don't wanna transcend being human. I want to allow in the mess. I want to stop with the perfectionism.

Speaker 1 (19:14.574)
I want to allow things to unfold as they're supposed to. Of course, with action steps needed by us individually as people. But I think now it's a time to, well, it's time to fricking grow up. And look, I went to church back home in Mississippi when I was little, and when I'd go to church, I'd be like, this is weird. Why do all these grownups need invisible parents to tell them right from wrong?

And I thought that was really strange. And then these people were just mean as a snake, weren't they, know, during the week. And then, you know, when they would come to church on the weekends, they were lovely and all during the week they were mean as a snake. And I thought, religion, this is a bunch of hooey. I mean, I'm five years old. I know right from wrong. Why do they need to be told right from wrong? That's sketchy and scary for a little kid. Because then I grew up thinking, well, ain't nobody know nothing.

These grownups don't know what they're doing.

It's a contradiction. went to Catholic

there you go. There's therapy needing to happen right in that cabin. my lord.

Speaker 2 (20:19.82)
why you and I met each other is for the purpose of we're doing this individually for not only as we're the spirit experiencing our existence in the human realm, but we're also collectively here to sort of shut this whole third dimensional game down, which is what we're seeing right now. And we're here to exactly it's actually a positive thing. doesn't feel so touchy feely, but it's positive. Yes. But you and I are both

Thus the chaos.

Speaker 2 (20:49.952)
and attract to support the planet, the collective and individuals through this as this all gets shut down.

Yes, agreed. Because growing up is scary. It's freaking scary growing up. mean, God, we all remember, you know? And my guides go, when y'all get in those bodies, y'all are dumb as a bucket of hair. Oh my word. Like, y'all think it's some contest to see who can stay married the longest, stay in the job the longest. Like, it's so dumb. But at any rate, growing up is scary. And I think that hopefully we're here to help people realize that it's not.

that it doesn't have to be scary, that you can retrieve your power back from all the people, places, and things that you felt the need to set your power at the feet of. You can bring all of that back. And for women, religion especially, and look, and religion is just a coping mechanism in lots of different cultures all over for thousands of years. They create different gods for different reasons, and whether they're travelers or they're, you know,

stay and create gardens and different gods for different groups of people. So the recognition that, on, I think I am God, you know, that's scary business because then it takes you out of a, you know, a man in power. Like, I know what God told me to, you don't know what you're doing, no, but I know. So you have to listen to what I know and that's what you're supposed to believe and feel. And then you have, you know, divergence.

neurodivergent people who go, well, that doesn't make any sense. Why in the world would you say that? And then we just throw a wrench into the whole mechanism, you know? But at any rate, growing up can be terrifying, but I think that we can help people go, wait a minute, actually, it's really freaking cool because we're in that weird little limbo of teenager-y of like, want to be autonomous.

Speaker 1 (22:51.36)
and I want to be responsible and I can, but sometimes I can't. But like sometimes I skip school and I want to go smoke a cigarette and do naughty things. Like, you know, I think we're as collective, that's kind of where we are, teenager-y, and thus the diaper fire that is the world right now. You know what I mean? Because it's just like, like all imploding everywhere. Which is actually, like you said, a good thing. It's scary as hell. And there will be many sacrificial lambs, which that's the part.

that hurts me. But I do understand there are no victims and I understand everyone is super, well we're equal down here spiritually, all of us, and I get that completely. Also the human side of me, it hurts my heart. It hurts my heart. death never bothered me. Death is fine. Suffering, whoo, mm-mm. I do not like suffering. And suffering is universal. Suffering is universal. It's part of the

Program down here, unfortunately.

the program they're sending, but yes.

Yes, agreed. Thank you for that.

Speaker 2 (23:59.182)
Yes. Until we get through the full transition of it, it's going to escalate. You're right. It doesn't feel good, especially for those of us who feel those feelings.

Just gonna take a minute.

Speaker 1 (24:11.726)
leave my house. my word! No! And when you're sensitive like we are and y'all listening in, you know, you're sensitive too, that's why you're listening. And I say this just throwing this out there, if you're having a bad day, this last two weeks for me have been terrible. Last night I did not sleep at all, like it's been like tight and crunchy and intense. But I want to just throw this out there for everybody listening, when you feel like shit,

take a breath and go, wait a minute, is it mine or is it the collective? Because we genuinely feel what the theme of everyone on the planet is feeling and the theme for everyone on the planet right now is

So it could not, it may not even be your own panic that you're feeling.

think that that's important and I'm going to say this because I think that this it's affecting your situation and many others who will want to hear this. So today is actually the spring equinox. And we just had the lunar eclipse a few days ago. Yeah.

there you go, no wonder. That makes sense.

Speaker 2 (25:20.62)
with the full moon and we're going to be hitting another solar eclipse in nine days. So we're sandwich into two eclipses. And like this has been really intense for me physically. Like I never sleep with full moons are always like, I don't sleep and I have issues, the last two weeks I go to bed and I fall asleep as soon as I hit the pillow and 30 minutes later I'm up and I can't sleep. I am so exhausted. Like I've never, I,

I won't say never I don't recall having this level of feeling exhausted.

brutal. It's, tired and whirr.

Yeah, tired and wired. But what I've discovered is almost everyone I'm talking to is feeling the exact same way. This is bigger. This is collective. And I think that, you know, we're at the peak of the solar cycle. getting hit with all this solar energy. We have these astrological. I think that we're just getting slammed with this and it all ties in. It all has to do with the ending of this.

third dimensional stuff, the victimhood, the violence, and it's all getting darker before it fully dissipates. for sure. And it's a process. So it's not like one day it's here and one day it's gone. I think it's going to happen, you know, in my lifetime for sure. I think that in two or three years, really quick. just that you acknowledge that I wanted to put that in there because when people listen to this, they may go, my God, I wondered what was wrong with me. Now I'm hearing that all these other people have experienced that.

Speaker 1 (26:53.922)
Yeah. I text all my friends and I go, my God, I feel like shit. And they go, my God, me too. And I go, thank God you feel like shit. thank God, I'm so happy that you feel like shit because this means it's bigger than just me, you know? And even my son and even the animals, and you know, I'm so in tune with my personal animals and external animals. I'm in California, but high elevation Southern California. So there's lots of critters around here and coyotes have been bananas.

last couple nights like running everywhere. mean, it's been crazy. Everybody's feeling it. And I know that the scientists say, well, the full moon doesn't affect small bodies of water. It only affects large bodies of water. And I go, well, clearly you've not worked at an emergency animal clinic on a full moon. Because we have dogs going through plain glass windows. Our human ER. That is.

Yeah, it's a real thing.

I want everybody to know that it's okay, that it is like waves in the ocean. it's, we get slammed, but then the tide goes out, then we get slammed and the tide goes out. It's gonna get smoother later.

Yeah, I agree. I'm going to go back to one more animal question and then we can shift gears. I talked to this guy, Nick Musica. He's also from California. He's an animal communicator and the animals, like people set up sessions for their animals and you know, he's a Dr. Doolittle and the people will ask questions and he was sharing like this with the one lady. He says, well, your dog is asking me to ask you what's going on at work.

Speaker 2 (28:28.78)
And then she was talking about how she was an Uber driver and she heard her back and she had lost her other job and things weren't really good. She was basically just on edge and short with people. And he's like, so like you're biting back at people. Your dog wants me to tell you, you're asking why your dog is biting. And your dog is saying to me, I need to tell you, you need to look at what's going on with your job and you need to resolve your job.

And I was like, just, he was fascinating. I mean, you're having one-on-one stuff just to help the animal along. Do you also have that kind of thing going?

Absolutely. What I did was aggression, know, like scary. Killed livestock, mauled people, plastic surgery level, reconstruction level animals here. And so it's so bizarre, right? That not really, but what we need is what we get. I know that sounds weird, but if your animal, if your dog is highly aggressive to people, where are your boundaries with people?

If your dog is really shy and doesn't want to go anywhere, how do you feel around other people? Do you have social anxiety? Absolutely. The animals just show up to be your mirror. my God, every time. Almost every time. Sometimes you get a little dog and they live their little dog life and it is what it is. But a lot of the times they come in and they go, well, I'm going to F you up here because you're dumb as bucket hair, clearly, and the universe is whacking you upside the head with a cast iron skillet you're still not listening, so I'm just going to start biting people.

Like, will you figure it out? So sure, yeah, absolutely they help out like that. And so what my job was is to help the human. Because, you know, once the human is good, then the dog is okay. But you know, obviously dogs also have mental illness issues and physical issues and biological, neurological issues just like people do. People go, well, we don't deserve dogs. I'm like, have you met dogs? Dogs can be jerks.

Speaker 1 (30:25.708)
Dogs can be narcissistic and rude and like mean on freaking purpose too. So don't go there. Like dogs are just like humans. Very rarely are they courageous. They are not. Most of them are not. Very rarely do they want to be helping you. They're just trying to survive themselves. Very rarely do you get a therapy animal. Doesn't work like that. Most dogs fail the program to go into the police academy or bomb sniffing dog or helping the blind. Most dogs fail. Like most of us fail with shit.

But spiritually speaking, if you zoom out for sure, dogs and animals and horses and birds and things will come in to help you with whatever experience your soul self wanted to have this go round. Does that make sense?

total sense and it just what I love about it is now it makes me more aware to pause and pay attention and to actually just ask right either yeah with my words or telepathically like what what message are you here to show me

be breezy again, like, you know, and I know you will, but I'm just telling for everybody else, like be breezy. You don't have to go, what's the message? my God. Like people go, I have had these dreams. That's a dead person trying to contact me. I'm like, I don't know, maybe, but maybe somebody passed through going, Hey, what's up? Doing a bro nod, like, Hey, what's up? Maybe that's all it is. Like it doesn't have to be so fancy. Like past lives, I was the queen of, yeah, probably not. I don't know. think if we, if we get a little humble, there is no such thing as paranormal.

Psychic is normal. Extrasensory stuff is normal. This is how this little body is. And I'm just in it in the moment. I really need to tune into it, take care of it, see what it wants. It has a wisdom all its own, which can tie in to this spiritual wisdom. Because if you want all of your psychic juju to open up, your mind...

Speaker 1 (32:23.202)
not you, it's just a tool you've been given. So you remember to brush your teeth and pay your bills, Your mind and your body and you all need to be going the same direction. But I would say 90 % of the humans down here were going, ping, ping, ping. We're like, scrolling traffic. And how do you get your feathers straight to get all of y'all going in the same direction when you meditate, you slow down?

You do a body check periodically through the day and you go, well, that's weird. Why am I so irritated? yeah, I just got off the phone with that lady. She was so freaking mean. I think it's her energy. Start to realize where your energy stops and starts. Then you can start queuing in and feeling the yes or the no in your body. And that really helps navigate like, my God, everything else that you create is easier because your body can give you clarity. Your body will give you a nope, which is always felt.

Well, not always, but usually felt throat, chest, belly. That's a noop and it's tight. And then a yes is like this, open and you can breathe. And I mean, I think too, really, well, a lot of people ask me, well, how do you know the difference between you or something scary and your spirit guides? If it's you and something scary, I can talk about that too, because that's a bunch of who we like.

Everybody's worried about the demons. Like, my God, all right, we'll talk about the demons. Anyway, if it's frenetic in any way, if it's sensationalistic in any way, meaning in your head you're like, I don't know, is it yes or is it no? Is he gonna call me? Is he gonna text me? I don't know, what's what? No, no, no, no, no, no, no. All of that is ego. my God. All of that anger, bitterness, jealousy, grief, sorrow, despair, worry for self and others, rage, depression, anxiety.

That ain't it. What your spirit guides give you is this calm, knowing. Like I just know he's gonna be here today. I don't know how I know, but I just know. That, who is your spirit guide? And if you can cue into that and get your body, your central nervous system regulated enough so you can feel the subtlety of that, ooh, you're off and running. So it's like combining all of this shit.

Speaker 1 (34:44.449)
you know, combining like, well, I'm human, I gotta take her into account. And you know, I'm an animal communicator, but I'm also an animal communicator for people's bodies as well, which I know is weird. But it's really weird thing to say because people just plow through life and they just go, just work, I don't wanna fiddle with you, I have shit to do. Nobody tunes into their body, my God. So especially neurodivergent people, we're resentful that we have one.

because it's a pain, because we don't want to have to feed it and clean up after it and clean it and like, here's my work around, of which I have millions because of ADHD, and my head would go, wait, wait, wait, okay, there's another planet out there somewhere and that's got my real body on it and then that person and I switched bodies and I'm in theirs and then when they come back to retrieve this body, ooh boy, are they gonna be.

pissed at me because they're gonna go, hated it and you never loved it and it was always the wrong size and you were resentful about it and you had to feed it certain things and you just always were mad at it and I will be mortified. So now I got in my little like, okay, I need to take care of it like I take care of all my dogs. All of the animals that I've cared for all these years and go the extra mile for it and do the things that it needs because when she's okay,

then I can open up all these other psychic gifts because she can carry the weight of that. She can be open enough and be vibrating high enough to handle that sort of light or whatever you wanna call it. And then all those gifts can come flooding in. That seems like it's so easy for me to like, doesn't everybody know that?

When you spoke it, was like, all makes so much sense and it's so simple. But until you spoke it, I don't know that I necessarily felt that way. So thank you for that.

Speaker 1 (36:35.534)
Okay, well I think that's what we're moving into this year is a hold on, hold on. What wisdom does your body have? What can she tell you? Where do you need to be going? well the animals of course they taught me everything but I had like a complete autistic meltdown in 2020. That's when I realized I was autistic. I'm like, snap, I think I am autistic AF. What? I had no idea. Like in the 70s in Mississippi growing up I was just called hyper. Oh she just had.

Like no, I have a disability actually. Holy shit, who knew? But I was crying like the ugly cry, meditating, know, like what do I do? And my spirit guide, he's kind of really backed off. I've gone through many spirit guides as I grow, grow, grow. But he said, do what is most impossible. That's how you get out of where you are. Do what you feel is most impossible. And I did, I quit smoking cigarettes.

and 2020 was my favorite thing. my God, I love I don't care if anybody hates them, they were delicious to me and I loved them. And so at any rate, so I quit smoking and then it all started like dominoes, it all started clicking like, hold on. I think what I'm supposed to do here is I'm supposed to create a life that's so perfectly suited for me that I don't want to escape it. Okay.

If that's what I want to do because my body can't be shoved into this world that everyone else has created, my body doesn't belong there. My body's always been the one in the little shack at the edge of the forest and the little village was over here and when they'd have problems with their sheep dine, they'd come get me and I'd give them the herbs and then they'd go home. Like, you know, I can't be in the village. Like, I ain't, no, no, no. So how do I do this? I don't know how to do this. Well, I wrote down a list of everything that I hated about my life.

Okay, I'm in Los Angeles, it's too many people, it's too hot here, I don't like the traffic, like whatever. And then on the side of it, I wrote the opposite of that. And the opposite column was my to-do column. Like I had no idea what I was doing. Like, okay, I need fewer people, I need high elevation, I need no humidity, because I'm from Mississippi and I don't want no skaters, no more. So I need more trees and people and I need less traffic. And then I started looking for that. That was literally my to-do list. Of course, serendipitous events.

Speaker 1 (38:54.338)
you know, got us to us, my son and I, to where we are now, which is exactly where we're supposed to be. But boy, howdy, that was a big old honkin' roundabout. If I woulda known, you know, five years ago, we'll just tune into your body a little more, it woulda been a lot easier. So I'm trying to save people trouble is what I'm saying.

Your experience is going to really lighten this up for other people. Isn't that the goal?

my gosh, here's hoping. Holy crap. You know, because I think there's two different kinds of people who, because I have complex PTSD, so there's two kinds of people who go through trauma. There's a kind of person who lets it affect them so they they mirror back mean. And they want other people to hurt just as bad as they hurt. And that's what makes a narcissist. know, narcissists aren't made, they're...

Yes, they're not born, they're made, they're made. And then you have the opposite of that, people who have suffered to such a horrific degree, it's debilitating my complex PTSD, and I never, ever, ever want anybody to suffer like that. Ever, ever, anybody, suffering, it's just, we, mm-mm, no. And so I just turned myself inside out to help people within limits now. I realize I have to have boundaries now because, you know, all giving with no boundaries is self-destruction.

Boundaries are very important.

Speaker 1 (40:12.29)
Yeah, I never knew I could have those. I do now. I do now. The top three things that the patriarchy will not allow women to have is opinions, boundaries, and rage. And, lord, I got all three. No wonder I'm single. my word. Anyway, so yes, I mean, I would love to help as many people as will let me.

Well, perfect. So real quick, you had mentioned demons. And as soon as you were talking about the demons, I was like, feel like that's all old school. Like, that stuff?

Speaker 2 (40:45.694)
Is it even existing? Is it going by the way, like with religion? feel like D-

Yeah, I And I think that people still ask me that, my God, what about the demons? Aren't you scared? I'm like, honey, good God, I'm on it. I have given thousands of range. You'd think one demon, it could bust up in here and scare me half to death. It wouldn't do it anymore. No, but have I seen scary shit? Yes, I have seen some scary shit. I have felt scary stuff. And I was literally giving a session yesterday and there was a little hangy on. There was a little, it went.

could be demon. I mean, I think that's what people call him, but the thing is, is like energy just attracts like energy. And I explained to this one, like, well, what is a haunted house? Well, a haunted house is simply a place frozen in time through grief and tragedy. So if a man loses his family in a, whatever, hurdle accident, he goes home and he's bitter, angry, resentful, he's not gonna clean that house.

He's in grief, sorrow, despair, rage. How dare the universe take them away from me? So he's not gonna fix the squeaky door. He's not gonna fix the window. He's not gonna clean things. And then it just, boom, boom, boom, boom, all the way down around you. And so there are lots of different energies in the world. That's just one of them, you know? And so all the little negative things go, ooh, that feels comfy. And they go there. And a lot of people can be inside their own haunted house.

Your body can be its own haunted house, which just makes me sad. And the same thing with the dogs. That a dog trying to kill me, go, God, are you okay? I see a haunted house and walk in and scary things are coming out to get me. I go, my God, are you okay? Come sit down with me. Come sit down with me. Tell me everything. What's happening in you? What are you feeling? I wanna know it all. I have the power for us both. I can hold space for everybody.

Speaker 1 (42:40.622)
Tell me everything. And then when they're given that opportunity, it's gone. They go, oh, thank you. And I ask for help too. Like, hey, get my spirit guides to come down. Don't they have some place to be? That's what I did the other day with this woman. I got her spirit guides to come down and go, doesn't this little entity thing have somewhere else to be? Like, hey, are you okay? Don't you wanna be doing something that feels better?

And then it was like, well, shit, yeah, I didn't know I had an option. Cool, let's do that. I think we've just been looking at it from a different, I used to see a little Viewmaster viewer in my head, remember those? Like if we take out that old mutual Omaha wild kingdom disc that we all had with the animals and put something different in there and have a different filter for looking at the world, we see that all these scary things really aren't. All these big scary dogs who wanna kill us.

They just have an owie in their heart. That's what the dogs call it. The owie in your heart. Like, here's my owie. They go, here's the owie in me. Here's the owie in my heart. And same thing with what was considered demons. Are there negative things in the world? Sure, absolutely. But I think that at this point, I'm vibrating so high that they don't even know that I'm here. They don't even know that I exist. And I try to be as kind as possible because I ain't nice.

Ooh, I ain't nice. No ma'am, I am not a nice person. I am a kind person. Because I think nice is where predators live. So I don't do that. I call you out. I don't care who you are or where you are what's happening. I call you out. I make people uncomfortable. I rock the damn boat. I'll sink it if I need to, you know, because that's the beauty of being in your 50s. At any rate, like I feel like what was once scary does not have to be. And I think what is now scary...

Well, here's what I'm hearing in my head. What's scary now is people who try to be what they're not. the thing that I'm hearing, the quote I'm hearing in my head is, as was then is now truth, sweetest tongue has sharpest tooth. So people who try to sweet talk, that's fine, we're gonna take care of you, no worries.

Speaker 1 (44:52.75)
Look, we're going to change things around in the government. We're going to change things around in the state. We're going to change things around in your school. We're going to change things around whatever. Fill in the blank anywhere. Like it's this sweet talking. That's the real scary bit now. Instead of like evilly deem any things. Evilly deem any things. And I feel like, good God almighty, if we knew how powerful we are, we could just go.

I think that that's part of where we're at at this exact moment is people are starting. Okay, it goes back to the growing up. Recognizing or just hearing the words for the first time, you're very powerful. Again, I have this spiritual teacher, the same fellow himself that I've been working with his work for the past five years and he always says you're very powerful or big, you're bigger than you. Very. And it's only been

growing up.

Speaker 1 (45:30.865)
very. Own it.

Speaker 2 (45:45.408)
more recently in the last couple years, even though I've heard those words many, many, many times, it was as if there was one day and it was like as if I had heard them for the very first time. It clicked. And it had a whole different meaning. And it was like, well, yes, I am. I realize I am, but it's not in a ego, ego. But it was just weird. was like just out of the clear blue this one day, was like click.

Yeah, yeah, no no.

Speaker 1 (46:16.046)
Because we can hear something a million times over and like, that doesn't even make sense, that's not true. And then one day it clicks, like, I get it now, I get it. And the power thing, like I really, and this is why in my sessions, one of my favorite things to do is introduce people to their spirit guides because, know, and as far as capitalism goes, my business model is terrible because I want to make it so you don't need me. You know, I want everybody to have their spirit guides connected to them. And it's fascinating we go in this meditation and.

Spirit Guide shows and I ask the questions and the Spirit Guide tells my client Claire Cognizant and then they answer me. It's fascinating. They're giving themselves a reading. my God, it's so fun. At any rate, like, and I tell them, like, if you only knew how powerful you are and claim it and own it and because it takes one little drop of fear that can gain weight in the back of your mind to such a degree that catastrophe, you have catastrophic results.

from this one little bit. So this is why retraining your brain is incredibly important. Retrain your brain and remind her that, we're okay. Help your body, hey, we're okay. How is everybody feeling? You have to, well, you don't have to do a damn thing that I say, but wouldn't it be nice if you could be the parent for your mind and your body to let them know, hey, I've got you. I'm gonna regulate everybody here and I'm gonna allow our power to come flooding back in.

And as a matter of fact, anywhere, any, anywhere, dimension, lifetime, circumstance, all the freaking layers of levels, anywhere you have laid your power down, let's call it all back in. And let it flood back into your life. So you make decisions about you. Because why else are you freaking here? And if you want to start the business or move to another place or it's going happen for somebody, why not you? my god.

Just try it! What's the worst that could freaking happen? You lose everything and go back home? Alright, cool. Hello, I have tried and tried and tried and done a billion different things. I mean, why not do? Holy shit, this place is so amazing! Just try something. Don't just sit there.

Speaker 2 (48:28.93)
Would that be the concept of real world magic that you talk about sometimes?

I mean, I guess so. Magic is in the everyday. I mean, I guess so. know, it's every single little dinkin' thing is magic for me. Magic happens all the time around me and, and quick aside, neurodivergent people are the magic folks, right? This is just the way that it is. So we have a different filter for reality. We have always felt like aliens simply because the veil is thinner for us. We see magic where neurotypical people do not.

We all have our roles to play down here. They're brilliant at they, meaning neurotypical people are brilliant at some things that we are not good at doing. They're great in corporate. They're great at being consistent. We are not. We are artists. We need to work our butts off for like, get everything done that you would have taken to a week. We do it in a day and then we need three days to sleep. Right? At any rate, I got off on a side note, but allowing yourself, well, admitting it. Growing up and admitting it.

Going, is not about my insecurities or my personal opinion about myself or none of that shit matters. Part that shit, that's just your ego trying to keep you alive and keep you ridiculously humble so you feel intimidated so you won't take a step. That's just a survival mechanism. Clock it for what it is. Know what your brain is doing. Freaking pay attention, go, thank you brain. Sure do appreciate it. And name it if you want to. Thank you, Leigh Elizabeth Carmichael, Brittany, Marie, whatever you want to name it.

I appreciate the hamster on the wheel of all my insecurities, but you know what we're gonna do? We're gonna put that over here. And we're gonna take this leap. And we're gonna recognize it's not just about how I feel about myself. I'm in a human body and I'm down here, therefore I'm absolutely powerful because here's some truth absolute. Your spirit guides don't help you because you're helpless. Your spirit guides help you because you're extraordinarily powerful. You don't need to worry about offending them. As matter of fact, they're worried about offending you.

Speaker 1 (50:29.802)
This is how powerful we are. And it ain't just me. This is freaking everybody down here. We cannot wait to come down here. People, I don't want to ever come down here again. And I just smile and nod and go, yeah, you will. You'll be dying. You'll be hoping to. Because it's concentrated and heavy and dense down here. But we have so much experience in such a short amount of time. Our power is massive. And if you could just let a skimidge of that in.

that could change your world. And look, and I literally did, because I left everything behind. I burned it to the freaking ground, my life in 2020. And said, okay, I'm gonna do a new life for myself. Got a little credit card to pay for the movers, and I drug my teenage child with me. my God, to start brand new in a completely different place. It was terrifying, terrifying, you know? And then all of the shit that you're, you know?

Elizabeth Carmichael, Brittany Marie. say, what have you done? This was really stupid. What were you thinking? You screwed it all up. You've ruined this kid's life. All that stuff. I'm just like, no, you know what? We're going to process all that stuff later. And I'm just going to power through right now because I know this is right. I know it's right. I know it's right. And I know it's right because my body tells me it's right. My body knows what's right. And quick aside, when we moved up here,

There was no school up here. thinking, oh my God, where's my kid going to go to school? He went to the little school here, but there was nothing, no high school for him to go to. And I thought, oh my God, what am I going to do? And then we were here a couple of months and we realized, oh wow, there is a high school here. It turns out it's this amazing high school that's like the best in the country. It's amazing. And my son got in on a scholarship. So I think it was really his spirit guides that got us here for him.

That is such a powerful story on so many different levels.

Speaker 2 (52:23.822)
It's a very powerful story with a lot of layers to it, I think, that are going to be very beneficial to many people. And it's what you said, the claimant, the owner. We experience miracles every day. We choose not to recognize or acknowledge them. It's what you said. We're that powerful. Yes. That we are the magic and we can have miracles whenever we want. But it goes back to what we started with, is the belief. We believe we want it. We don't believe that we are it.

we are.

Yes. And you know, my mama has always told me all these years, most people live lives of quiet desperation. And I thought, that's just awful. Why in the world would they do that? I mean, and this is part of the growing up. I mean, I just want to shake people and go, knock that shit off. What are you thinking? You were so incredibly powerful. What do you want to do? And do it. Like just freaking do it. You know, and I thought up here,

And I still don't know nobody up here. I mean, I'm such an introvert. I don't leave my damn house if I don't have to. But like, okay, I need community. So I go and volunteer. I go and fill food boxes. Like if I'm feeling empty, I go fill food boxes. I help other people. Being your own hype person is important because we get bogged down here on this planet. And so being able to find things that empower and inspire you, that's important. I have to...

purposefully do that for me. Like, nope, I gotta watch something funny this week. Yep, I gotta watch Galaxy Quest again for the nine millionth time. Right? I've gotta do it. I've gotta watch old episodes of 30 Rock. Like, I need to see Taney Fie right now. I need to just be laughing so hard that I almost pee myself. So I have to make, well, it's animal husbandry. Cause figure out what your body needs. Holy shit, it ain't rocket surgery. And look.

Speaker 1 (54:17.098)
If you had a little dog or a little cat and that little animal was limping, you would be full stop like, my God, are you okay? You would buy the ramp, you would buy the steps for the bed, you'd take them to the vet, you'd buy the glucosamine and chondroitin, you would like do all the things. Do you do that for your own body? Do you pay attention to all the little subtleties? Right, you know if your dog doesn't like to go to the dog park because it's overstimulating, but they love to go to the park and walk through the path in the woods because it feels better. You know that your dog likes the tennis ball and not frisbee, you know like.

You know your cat likes his heart tweets but not the greenies, you know, like, but what is your body love? What does she love to do? And a lot of times neurodivergent bodies like, we like tandem play, we like parallel play, so our bodies need different things than neurotypical people. Our neurodivergent bodies need to go to maybe silent book club, which is amazing. See if there's one in your area, like you take your own little book.

Everybody else is there with their own little book. Everybody sits down by themselves and reads their own little book. You don't have to freaking interact with everybody. But your body feels the safety of other breathing bodies and all of those bodies are happy. So it's taking your body to a live theater to see a play where all the other bodies in there are laughing out loud. That may make your body happy. Like freaking think it through.

This is the greatest oracle that we've ever been given and she has so much, or he as the case may be, who's ever listening in, has so much knowledge about what she needs to feel safe to move through the world so you can open up all of your clairs, you know, and then get your clarity and all of that stuff. But, you know, confidence before clarity every single time. You just gotta make a move and do it first and then you get the clarity.

That's important.

Speaker 1 (56:12.546)
Well, I was just gonna say that yes, it's a bringing in all parts of yourself is really important. I find that the people who have the most peace, at least on this gorgeous little blue marble where we are in the moment, the people who have the most peace have made space in themselves to fit all different parts and pieces. The parts of you who are insecure and miserable and can't figure it out.

and the parts of you who are competent and confident and capable and feeling powerful and all parts of you are super duper important, please do not compartmentalize them because all of those parts of you are so intricate that makes you you, it makes you unique. if you start compartmentalizing them, not liking certain parts and loving other parts, it gets all jacked up. just allowing space, well, being human is just freaking necessary.

It is, that's why we're doing it. Yeah. So real quick, you talked about humor, let's go back to the humor. I feel like many of us can use a bit more humor in our lives these days.

Holy shit, lighten up.

What role does humor play in healing sessions and teachings with you? Clearly it's a big deal.

Speaker 1 (57:26.03)
You know, I never even thought about that question. What role does it play? I feel, you know, you know what it is? Okay, hold on, because I'm just going to ask. And they're showing me what I said to all of my clients when I was, you know, sitting in their living room with their highly reactive dog who was very violent or their dog with massive anxiety. I go, here's what you're looking for. You're looking for goofy. That's how you know you're on the right track. You know, when a dog lays down and goes,

and rubs its back, right? And goes like, that's what you're looking for because that is diametrically opposed to anxiety and violence. When you are laughing, all your channels are open and stuff can fly out of you and it's not crunked up in there and stuck making you disfigured and disformed and so tight that you can't even breathe.

when you laugh every, and they're showing me in my head like a pinball machine, goes bing, bing, bing, bing, bing, bing, bing, bing, bing, bing, bing, bing, bing, bing, bing, bing, bing, bing, bing,

You need more goofy in your life, everybody. So ta-da! But no, but for real, because if you're, well, and because I'm really tight in me and I'm super intense, I'm like super intense, and it's hard for me to lighten up. You know, I have two speeds, I'm like a puppy. I have turbo and off. Like I'm like, ah, or I'm sleeping. It's absurd. So again, middle, like I think that's.

The whole theme of today, right, is this middle, the middle way. It's the middle way. As Buddha has said, it is the middle way. It is not all ego, it is not all suffering and releasing ego, it is befriending the ego, middle way. How can I laugh? How can I lighten the hell up? How can I be a recovering perfectionist, as Brene Brown says, you know, and how can I be, well, call a thing a thing, as Ian Levan Sant says.

Speaker 1 (59:39.854)
call a thing a thing. How can I have authenticity? How can I be comfortable in all the mistakes I make? How can I love myself even though I'm really insecure about a ton of stuff? How can I bounce back? How can I be resilient? How can I be honest and be in my integrity? Really, that's the bottom line of everything, isn't it?

Because

It sure is. And it's interesting because perfection doesn't exist in the third dimension. Yet it's something so many humans strive for and spend so much of their time on the earth going after. So I just wanted to throw that in there as you say that. So I'm going to just throw this out. I'm not exactly sure how to ask it. Debilitating anxiety seems to be debilitating.

It was me.

Okay, debilitating anxiety seems to really be it's taking over the planet. Like there was always levels of anxiety, but it is upping its level. don't know.

Speaker 1 (01:00:42.414)
Dread. It's dread.

The jar lids being taken off and it's just spilling out.

It's dread. It's frenetic panic. It's dread. And that's growing up. That's growing up.

Okay, so that seems to be where we're at and it crosses all generations.

attention to what she needs. That's it. Like okay and sit in it. Sit in it. Because I don't think people understand that you have to feel your feelings. That feelings are actual physical sensations in your body. Like that's a thing. And so you know it starts in your head and if you can catch it before it goes you know dumps the adrenaline dump or a chemical dump in your body if you can catch it here great but if it's if you have like

Speaker 1 (01:01:27.266)
flooded with whatever chemicals your body feels you need to have in that moment for survival, if you can just freaking sit in it, sit in it, and this is how you get in tune with your body. This is how you get in tune with her wisdom. This is how she can help you. I think this is the whole darkest before dawn thing. The universe is going, would you freaking pay attention to your body? my God, would you knock it off? What are you doing? And learning how to...

do a vagus nerve reset. We should do one right now for everybody watching. Let's do it. It takes like a second. So there's a couple different ways. We'll do it this way. So if you're feeling that existential dread, you're panicky, if you don't wanna leave the house, if you are so debilitated by your anxiety, check in with your body. And here's, let's just do a check first. Turn your head right and left to see what your range of motion is in your neck, right? Just a before and after. And then you put your hands here and then you

your face stays forward but your eyes are going to look down on the ground on your right hand side and my voice is going to change just a minute or two here so take a deep breath here and what you're looking for some sort of relaxation in your body and you may feel a little eye strain and that's fine a little eye strain is okay but you don't want to hurt yourself or anything

and your stomach may feel a little looser and that would be great. And even if you don't feel a thing, that's okay. The first couple, three times I did this, I said, this is a bunch of horse shit, it's not working, but it is working. This is science, this is just is what it is. So that's perfect. Now let's look over to the left and do the same thing. Find something to stare at over there, take a deep breath.

Here's hoping again you feel looseness in your body and if you feel the need to yawn that would be absolutely perfect because that would be the indicator that your parasympathetic nervous system is kicking in which is your rest and digest because basically what this is doing is getting your body out of fight-or-flight. And that's it. Put your arms down. Now see how much more range of motion you have in your neck. It'll freak you out.

Speaker 2 (01:03:35.189)
that is wild.

Magic. Magic.

I could hardly turn my neck. I was like, my god, everyone in the world's gonna see like how to

you're like talk about debilitating it but i feel like

I mean, will, you know what, Cinnamon, that takes me back to my chiropractor who was like my best friend from pushing carts and doing all that ED stuff that is a very physical job is I could hardly turn my neck and you know, he crunches your neck and you think that, my God, did my head just get removed from my body? And then the next thing, you know, I'm like, my God, I feel like my head's on a spring. Like literally what we just did, that vagus nerve reset was comparable to that.

Speaker 1 (01:04:21.004)
do it all day every day. It's safe. You're not gonna hurt yourself. It's free. So whenever you're feeling overloaded, and I feel like that's really what it is. It's this big wave. It's this big tsunami of grow up. It's a tsunami of grow the up because it's a get in tune with your body. See what she needs. How is she?

Because if your dog had that much anxiety, you would do whatever it took to make them okay. You'd buy them the thunder shirt, you'd get the sound machine on the ocean waves, you'd get the pheromone thing you plug into that, you know what I mean? Like at least let's try some things. I don't think we're giving, well we're not giving a manual to say, we're responsible for this little thing that we're in. And my god, she tries so hard, like bless her heart, can you just.

Like she tries so hard to strive for balance all day, every day, and we just F it up. We just continually F it up. So love her and take care of her and check in with her. How are you doing today? What is happening? Are you okay? You have scary, scary, scary feelings. Because here's the only two people that unless you've got littles, right? Unless you've got young kids, youngins, the only two people you need to worry about is your six year old self and your 80 year old self. You take care of that baby and you take care of that old lady. That's your prime job.

Like you look back at your six year old self, what did she need? You parent you now. You be the parent that she needed. And then you make plans right here and right now so your 80 year old self is proud of you. Like that's the bottom line, isn't it? So taking care of her so she feels good when she's 80, 90 and up. So she's feeling like she can move and you know, again, animal husbandry. I think that's what we're being pushed into doing now. We can't just side.

side swipe reality. Well, know what, Wayne Dyer, well believe it and then you'll see it and that's all great and everything and I love Wayne Dyer, don't get me wrong. Also, be in your freaking body and be her friend and befriend your ego too. It's helping you, it's trying so hard, your ego. my word, I think this is just a big wake up call for us to be nice to ourselves. Just...

Speaker 1 (01:06:35.294)
Slow down and be nice to yourself. And taking care of yourself doesn't have to be a bathtub and chocolate. I mean, it can be cool, that's awesome. But it's more like, hey, does it need a walk today? Hey, does it need some socialization today? Hmm. Does it need to do nothing today? Sometimes my body just has to lie down and do nothing all day because she's just been so overloaded. And getting in tune with her? I mean, it's like, well,

When I was younger, we were poor and Mississippi growing up, so I rode everyone else's horses. I couldn't afford one of my own because they're expensive, so I trained and showed and exercised everybody else's. But I could literally go out into a field of 30 horses and they just assumed I was a horse. Get in tune with the groove of what it is to be an animal on this planet. Go outside and smell the trees.

like slow the hell down. I think we're just push, push, push, push, push. And that's the anxiety. Because our little bodies have not had time enough to acclimate and they've not had time enough to evolve. You know, be where we are spiritually or technologically speaking, or our little bodies are still like the same as they were, you know, a thousand years ago. So they're like, wait, I don't understand. We need to help them. You know, I don't know. I feel like it's just time to have kindness.

It all goes back to the same basic principles and the other one I'm going to throw in there is self-love. Self-love is such a big component to our evolving. What practices do you recommend for individuals to cultivate self-love and empowerment? I mean, those are two biggies.

Holy shit, I don't know. You know what, if you would have asked me five years ago, hey, you have self-loathing in you? I'd be like, pfft, self-loathing? What do want, glue? I don't have any self-loathing. I love myself. No, I had so much self-loathing, I'm still discovering. It's like, know, it's like, like the old saying, I hurt in places I didn't know I had places. I have self-loathing and shame and like, humiliating, like all this stuff stuck in me, I didn't even know it was there.

Speaker 1 (01:08:43.735)
So shadow work for sure. right. Cause that like brings it all up. And what is shadow work? Shadow work is a, just the recognition of, ooh, that's weird. Why did I overreact when he said that thing? Whoa. What is, what is happening? Was it him? Was it what he said? Was it cause he said it in front of people?

What the hell, man? I'm out of control. When you have some crazy feeling come up, sit in it and kind of let your brain help you. Your brain will be very glad about that. Like, ooh, I get to help and do logical things. Let your brain help and let your body feel it out and let all that click together and go, wow. And also, again, it's that zoom out and go, no, I'm a magical person. This is not about my opinion of me. I'm a magical person and this is what the majority of humans go through. Shame.

Humiliation, grief, sorrow, worry, insecurity, I'm doing it wrong. And so this is, talk about your central nervous system, any kind of embarrassment, self-loathing, right? Not having any sort of feeling competence. this is a signal in your body that it's an emergency. This can absolutely lead to PTSD, complex PTSD, if it continues.

Because when you feel sort of ousted or you feel that slight of people kind of going, ooh, that was weird, why did she say that? Your body can kick in to that, my God, I'm gonna die. Because we're still where we were thousands of years ago in a little tribal community. That's what our bodies are still regulated to. And so if the tribe doesn't like you, you're gonna die. Straight up. Again, pay attention to her.

and see what she needs from you and go, hey, no, no, no, we're okay. Hold on, this is 2024. We're good, just breathe. We're good, we're good. And that helps all the anxiety dissipate. Then you can kind of zoom out and go, okay, well, I'm supposed to screw up. That's what we're doing here. And I'm really powerful just not, again, it's not my opinion. This is just how we're made. So cool, cool, cool. So you can look at things objectively is what I'm saying. Try to look at things objectively and not be too caught up in it.

Speaker 1 (01:10:55.842)
And that will set you free to sort of be on the outside looking in and watching your body move through things and trying to help her out, you know, and not be so caught up in it. Because I think there it is too. It's like, you know, I remember listening to that interview with Eckhart Tolle when he said, I was depressed and I wanted to kill myself because he was academia, right? He was like a professor. And he said, one night I was so distraught. I was literally gonna kill myself. And then in my head I'm like, I can't stand myself anymore.

Wait, I can't stand myself anymore, are there two? Whoa. There are two of me in me, you know? And so that is what I'm saying, like can you be the observer? That's what he says, be the observer. Be the observer of your thoughts. That's how we know our thoughts are not our own, because we can observe ourselves having them.

You know, if we were not being able to observe them, then they would be us, right? So we can observe our thoughts, we can observe our body, we can be the observers, and we can be the grown-up, and we can regulate ourselves, help regulate others, we can look for the people, places, and things that help us feel regulated, we can find the people, places, and things that make us wobbly, and frickin' eliminate them. Hate to say it, but break up with a boyfriend, get a new job, go no contact with that family member who refuses to acknowledge what happened to you when you were a kid.

Dude, that's the work. To get rid of the anxiety, to open up all your psychic gifts, to finally find some freaking peace in the midst of the chaos, to find some serenity in you, to be comfortable in the skin that you're in. That's the work that I feel you can do to get to that place. Hopefully that makes sense.

Yeah, no, that makes a lot of sense. It's insight. It's a lot of actionable items there. It's very helpful. So for you, how do you maintain your energy and while being, while working with clients, emotional and spiritual needs and like doing shadow work, those kinds of things.

Speaker 1 (01:12:40.802)
Here's hoping.

Speaker 1 (01:12:52.854)
think I'm shitty at it.

I'm getting better, but I was the worst taking care of my body. And know, autistic people would be like, wait, did I eat lunch today? I don't think I ate breakfast either. Oh my God, I was the worst. And now I've gotten into a groove, the whole animal husbandry thing. That's why I say it because I know it, because I lived it, because I had to do it for myself. And I, well, and I have to, I moved out into the forest, literally.

I moved out into the freaking forest. I mean, I had to because my whole world was burning to the ground because I couldn't sustain it because I was really shitty at taking care of the body that I was in and it just couldn't keep up. Then menopause hits and my body's like, nope, that's it. You're done. I'm like, shit, now what do I do? Look, my favorite drag queen name is Helena Handbasket. my God, that is the best drag queen name ever.

So my entire life went to hell in a hand basket, right? So I had to move out into the forest, kind of. I mean, I didn't know what else to do. And that goes to show that if it feels right for you, it's right for those around you. I was terrified that I was doing the wrong thing for my child, but it felt so right in me. And now I know it was the perfect thing for him because now he's so happy up here and we love it. But how do I do it for me? I sing a lot. I walk around my house and sing. And I sing that lovely little song.

the Every Little Cell in My Body. Have you heard that little song? It's to Mama's little baby like shortening bread. It's really easy. I'm going to sing it because I want everybody to be able to sing it. And I sing this when I'm washing dishes in my head or out loud or showering over and it just goes like this. Let see if I can remember the tune now. Every little cell in my body is happy. Every little cell in my body is well. And you repeat that. Then you go, I'm so glad.

Speaker 1 (01:14:45.96)
little cell in my body is happy and well. So I just sing it all the time. Every little cell in my body is happy. Folding closed every little cell in my body is well. And that helps and that also clears my throat chakra and really when you hum or sing that regulates your central nervous system too.

Speaker 2 (01:15:14.05)
I was feeling smiley inside as you were doing that.

you know, when you're doing normal things. I mean, this is why historically, well, we whistle while we work, don't we? And we sing in a group if we're working, unfortunately, in scary situations and slave situations, we'll all sing at the same time. Because we all get in a groove and our bodies move in unison and we're like a murmuration of birds. It just helps us all sort of get in the same groove. Singing is amazing.

You don't have to be good at it. And my animals, God loves them, they're probably going, here she goes again, my God. They have like 9,000 socks. And I'll just like make it up, walk around my house and make it up. It doesn't have to mean a thing. It doesn't matter. It just is there to open up everything and to regulate your physical body. And I'll dance around. I'll turn on music and cook dinner. I mean, I guess, and I try to eat really well and I...

that's important because again, I try to take care of the little body that I'm in and make sure that she feels okay. And I try to like compensate, know? So if I've eaten really well all week then I go, I'm so having more wine. I got a retox, I am way too healthy. because I also believe that like, shit, God, we gotta lighten up and it's not gonna be perfect. And sometimes you just need Taco Bell. Like sometimes you just need the chemicals. Is it gonna make you sick? Yeah.

Is it worth the prolly? Because, gah, holy shit, we're down here to have fun too. This is gonna be so freakin' serious.

Speaker 2 (01:16:50.67)
I know. I agree. live in a that I wasn't really sure why I moved out here and I'm listening to you and I'm like, you answered my question as to why I'm here. Cause your bloody nose. But I will tell you the closest town is an hour drive. I always stop at Taco Bell and treat myself when I go into town.

Maybe I'm psychic or

I don't know. I you, it's funny. I used to whistle all the time at work, especially when I worked in the ED, like people would comment it because I would always whistle going down the halls and I don't really know why I did it.

compensation for sure your body needed it.

Like you're answering all these questions that I've had in my life. So love, this really gives the listeners ways that they can easily integrate these spiritual practices into their everyday routines to enhance their lives.

Speaker 1 (01:17:39.87)
I guess everything could be a spiritual practice. And look, I'm a lazy bastard. I'm not going to do what everybody, and I'm not witchy because don't tell me what to do because I'm not going to take the nail and write on the green candle on Thursday. Like, I ain't going to do that mess. I make the shit up, I walk around the house and I make it up. I go, anything and everything that does not belong to me must leave my space now. Anything and everything that I've outgrown is not allowed around me anymore. Anything, any personal place or thing that needs me, harm needs to keep me off balance in any way, shape or form, you are not allowed in my vicinity.

Full stop. I am bubbled, safe and loved today and every day. I just make it up, walk around and sing it, make it up, and I just let it happen. I don't know, I'm loosey goosey with that kind of stuff.

Well, it's your creativity. Like we're very, very creative beings. And I think that one of the other things that sort of hinders, maybe clogs up creating the anxiety is that our creativity is so stagnant with all the distractions we have or how things are presented to us. Like we've lost that creativity.

And maybe that's what I'm here to do, to empower and inspire. That's really all I ever wanted to do is empower and inspire people, truly, to claim their own power, to know their own spirit guides, to do their own thing. Because I feel like we can make a love army of people who are powerful in themselves and their integrity is there and their little moral compass is due north.

and they believe in compassion and kindness and inclusivity and having boundaries and holding people responsible and holding themselves accountable in the same breath. That's it. That's the good stuff. Right? And not having excuses. the devil made me do it. Like, don't give me that horse shit. Now you knock that mess off. I'm a jerk and I'm in your tail so fast. Make your head spin now. Quit it. You own up to what you did now. Like, I don't, like, woo, don't do that mess around me.

Speaker 2 (01:19:35.598)
Sinman, I think that's exactly what we're doing. I think that we're distracted because the mainstream or mass media is shooting the opposite. that's yes, exactly. And we're here doing what we came to do, which is exactly what you just said. That's our mission. And we're making a difference. And that's why we're doing this podcast. And we'll continue to grow and excel and expand all of this. It's a beautiful thing. So you are very successful.

want us to be.

Speaker 2 (01:20:05.61)
at what it is that you have wished and desired to do. And I'd love to see it expanding. Good for you.

Thank you. I'm here to undomesticate people.

Speaker 1 (01:20:17.144)
Cause I'm undomesticatedable.

domesticate people.

I can't do it. Like you try to put me in a nine to five corporate job, I'm like, lord, it's like my legs in a trap. I'm gonna chew my leg off and run off into the forest a three legged critter. Like you can't do that to me. I've tried to meet domesticated, won't work. Full stop, won't work.

What I'd say to you is, and because you have referred to 2020 a few times, and especially that's the initial guess that I had on the show, it was a common theme. But during that pandemic time, so many people, I'm going to use your word, became undomesticated.

Yes, don't you love it? It's the most delicious thing in the world. I love it! It's fantastic.

Speaker 2 (01:21:00.364)
That event really started a movement where people stepped away from things that really weren't serving them under the auspice of, is how we're supposed to live our life, or this is how I support myself. And so many people made massive life changes that put them on a different path. We'll use the word spirituality. But again, I think that that term encompasses a lot of different things that fit under it, which is all

Very positive. And now that that, we'll say that cork popped out of that bottle during that pandemic time, we'll say, really, that's like the bubbly coming out of the champagne bottle. There's no going back to it. And now it's just going to continue to spread and grow in a beautiful way. And that's what we're doing.

definitely here to undomesticate people. And when you were talking about that, the vision that they showed me in my head was that commercial in the 80s. I think it was a Nike commercial of everybody sitting. It was like a 1984 George Orwell thing and they were all sitting in the benches and the girl comes in with her sneakers, right? With the big hammer and she flicks it onto the screen and it shatters and everything. It's like breaking it all up. Like, this is how we've always been. And then 2020 was like, woo, that's just.

F that all up. Let's just like, ooh, let's be a big old honkin' fly in the ointment. Let's just make this totally jacked up. And I thought that was great. Not that I'm an agent of chaos.

Change if you get into change theory and all of that chaos is a crucial critical part of change and we are in a period of huge change for humanity for the earth and for the universe it's affecting it all so chaos is important and it serves a purpose it's not a bad thing.

Speaker 1 (01:22:42.734)
It's scary though. I have now figured out I've realized fully the only constant in the universe is change. Period. That's the way it works. And my mother has always told me, well doll baby, nothing lasts forever, not even the good stuff. It's true. For me, I know here are the things that I need to stay the same. Everything else can change, right? So I've gotten to know my physical body well enough to go, okay, she needs to eat the same thing every day. She needs to wear a little uniform every day of her comfy clothes with no tags. So she feels okay. Then she can take the leap to move.

right? I can get the credit card and move. Then I can do new things and redo my website or make a website or start a business or whatever. having something safe, consistent, dependable, that helps you do other things. And that's another way to let clue into your body. So you can initiate change in your world. So you can be more comfortable with change.

right? Having some things that are status quo. And this is just like animal behavior 101 there. It's like, you know, I called the 3 Ds as distance, duration and distraction because I worked animals. I've worked tigers and wolves and horses and house cats and dogs and worked for TV shows and animal wrangler and like you name it. Like I've done all the things. But when you're putting a behavior on an animal, say for a TV commercial, you have to do things separately, distance, duration and distraction. You can't just get a dog to sit, stay.

the first day and you have to sit there for 20 minutes while there's cats running around and people have food. Like it doesn't work like that. You have to do all those things separate and our bodies are the same. So if you're thinking, okay, well I want to start a business then what can I do to help my body be okay with that? I can get her feeling stable and solid, get a routine going, animal husbandry going, so she feels okay with branching out. That's just a helpful tip. Again, y'all gotta do a dang thing that I say.

That's just animal behavior, you know, that's just how it works.

Speaker 2 (01:24:36.214)
You're providing everyone a lot of options and opportunities and it's their choice what they're going to do with it. think, and you can correct me if I don't have this right on your, your website, you mentioned psychic predictions. Is that something you do? Do you focus more on personal readings for individuals or do you predict larger global events or.

don't really. Yeah, that's that ain't it. And I'm asking again, hey, is this, and they're going, nah, that ain't it. I'm here to help people to reclaim their power and be who they want to be and to remind them they can give themselves permission to live the life that they want to live and everybody else can F off.

Speaker 1 (01:25:17.358)
And that's really undomesticating people right there. So they go, well, I know that you want me to do this, but I'm not going to do that because I want to do this. And being comfortable being the bad guy. Because it doesn't matter how nice you are. In somebody's story, you're the bad guy. That's just how that works down here. So being comfortable being the bad guy, doing your own thing. Because people have specific shit to do. And they're not doing it. I am here to make sure that people do not

anymore. They no longer hemorrhage all of their energy to make other people feel better about themselves at the expense of your well-being. I don't want anybody to dim their light anymore so other people feel comfortable around you at the expense of you. I think that's a tragedy. It's intolerable. We can no longer do this. And so if it's right for you, it's right for everyone around you, whether they are kicking and screaming about it or not.

Right? I mean, obviously, just didn't give you the right to out and be an a-hole, you know what I mean? But say, what do you need to do? I am a firm believer of this. It's like a lot of people now, especially now in 2025, take stock because it very well could be that your life's purpose has already freaking been completed and now you are here to play. Boom.

So that's a new concept that has just come on my radar. And I was like, that's interesting. Okay.

Because it's the end of an era. And you know, these youngins coming up, they're cool as hell. These young ones coming up, ooh, and they got their own gig. I am so grateful for these youngins, because they can spot hypocrisy a mile away, call you out on your shit. Ooh, they demand respect. I love it so much. It's this most fascinating thing in the world to me. So I think we're leaving everything in the best possible hands.

Speaker 1 (01:27:13.398)
So now as we're in this limbo, you know, and as it always is, if you want a new life, well, you can't keep the old one. So as the old life is crumbling and all the old white men in power, my God, they just need to go sit down. my word, they're just like, wrassling it to the ground. They won't let go. But as they sort of descend the throne of power and these younger ones step up, our work in large part has been completed.

Well, I would agree that is the truth. They don't have the programming and they don't buy into the programming. So that's not an issue. They're coming onto the earth more aware of their true self.

Their ability to tap into their wisdom. Ooh, I never had that when I was younger. I love it so much. I love it for them and I love it for this planet because they will be good stewards of it.

Absolutely on board with that. I totally agree with that. Cinnamon, for the listeners who would like to work with you, what would that look like and how do they connect with you?

CineMcClark.com but it is spelled weird like my mama spelled it on my birth certificate so there's that. I don't even have a middle name it's just CineMcClark. Every reading is different. Every session I do is different because it's not about me. So I always say maybe if you cannot be so hung up on what you want to hear maybe be open to what your guides want you to hear.

Speaker 2 (01:28:35.68)
my God, that's so huge. Can you say that again?

Don't be caught up in what you want to hear. Please be open to what your guides want you to hear. Because it could be deceased loved ones come through, how amazing. And it could be that they don't. And I can't just go come down and talk to the people like, my God, I would never be so arrogant. And sometimes your animals come through, sometimes they won't. Sometimes all these past life stuffs come up, sometimes they won't. Sometimes you don't even know why you're there. You go, I don't even know why I'm here. And I go, okay, cool, let's start here. Let's talk about this.

A lot of times it's just a conversation and you start talking about things and then they elaborate on specific things. Sometimes we're supposed to meditate. And so I have this little garden that I've created in my mind's eye. It's so lovely. There's all these little gates and they go to so many different places and depending on what your body needs, what you need, what your guides need, your guides will tell us where to go.

Like I make a list like, ooh, what do want to release this year? What do you want to bring in? And so I have good intentions. And then when we get into the meditation, a lot of times the guides go, yeah, we ain't doing that. We're doing this. Fine. So because they know way better than I do because I'm just a little PVC pipe. It flows through me. This is about you. And I never prepare for anything. I didn't prepare for this. I don't prepare for anything. And I don't prepare for anything. I think it would be disingenuous of me because that would be my ego going, well, I'm gonna.

teach you a thing or two and like, no, like, get it off. I kind of, whatever flows through is what's supposed to be because I'm here of service. So I don't know, questions are, I love questions. So if you have questions, do, and I'm on TikTok too. I do lives on TikTok, it's really fun. And I do questions on there as well. So yeah, cause those young people are fascinating. So on the TikToks, yeah.

Speaker 1 (01:30:26.606)
have idea what's coming next. I don't know. I feel a big leap coming for me and I don't know exactly what that is. But I feel it and I'm not privy to it. They have not given me really details yet. But I feel it's a big like another quantum leap of which I have had many. Yeah, I mean it's an age of Aquarius. So my God, who knows what's gonna happen.

Obviously we're gonna have this huge leap in technology and medicine and all these different things. We're going to be really elevated really quickly and I'm Aquarius so I'm all about that. I'm like ping, ping, ping all over the place for change. I'm good with that so I can't wait.

I'm with you. Big, big things on the horizon and they're going to happen quicker than we could have ever imagined. As we're winding up at the happy hour for the spiritually curious podcast, we have three questions we asked each of our guests. So this will be fun.

geez, I don't know what these are. Okay, here we go.

One, looking back, was there a defining moment or experience that completely shifted your spiritual path? If so, what was it and how did it change you?

Speaker 1 (01:31:32.014)
was in Junior High School, I think we call it middle school now, it was by the view of High School in Mississippi, in Gulfport Mississippi, and I have found these tarot cards. I don't even know where I found them, I still have them.

And I always knew I could talk to animals, but I kept it down on the down low because I didn't want anybody to know. And I took him to school and I was sitting outside on the ground in the dirt, I remember. And this kid came up and was making fun of me going, that's not real, that's like the devil. And in my neurodivergent naivete, I went, I'll give you a reading because I'm just boop-doo, know, floating through life like wide open, like an open to exposed nerve. Good Lord, I can't believe I'm still alive. It's a Christmas miracle. But he sat down and I got...

the mother of all downloads and it was terrifying and I freaking hated it. And I learned like everything about this kid, about his father, his mother, the abuse, like, and I was like, like I was freaking 12 or something like, my God, it was way, way, way, way, way too much. And then his spirit guides came in and said, but here's why and this and this and this, and this was all like a blip, you know? And then when I opened my eyes, he's just sitting there, yeah, well.

And I just went,

I know, you're right, it's dumb, I don't know. And I just never wanted any part of that again, shit no. I shut that down so lickety-split fast, I'm like screw that, this is terrible. I don't want, and then it was way later when I was living in this house in North Hollywood, out here in LA, in North Hollywood, and I had lots of dogs in my house, but my house was kind of crumbling around me. All these crazy things, this poltergeist activity.

Speaker 1 (01:33:14.176)
It was bananas. Like my hairbrush was always in the freezer and every time I would, I know it was really weird. And I did not have a roommate like, and I remember being on the phone with my sister. This is when cell phones first came out. Or maybe it wasn't a cell phone. I was on the phone with my sister and I got my sheets and this was before streaming anything. I...

had the jazz station on in LA, the jazz station, and I took my sheets and I'm talking to her to go and put them in the wash and then go all the way back into my bedroom and it had been changed from the jazz station to static and turned all the way up. And I remember that because my sister on the phone was like, holy hell, what the fuck is happening in your house? And I'm like, I know, it's nuts. It's all these crazy things happening. And that's when I realized like, wow, okay, I gotta come out of the broom closet. I gotta caught to this, I gotta admit to this.

and I got to come out of the broom closet because poltergeist activity is really you most of the time. It was my own energy flying all over the place. I just didn't know how to control it. But I was, know, yeah, I don't know what I'm doing. You know, and again, this was before computers. And so I ordered cassette tapes in the mail of meditations. I swear, like, these cassette tapes, and they came in the mail and I put them in my little boom box. We didn't have headphones or anything. And I meditated and I got this group of guides who came in. It was the first group of guides who came in.

And they said, hey, you're okay, we're gonna help you. And then after about three or four months, they took off and I'm like, what the hell, are you serious? You're just gonna leave me high and dry? And then they introduced me to my guide, Victor, his name Victor, I call him Victor, but he says Victor. He was with me for 20 years, this guide, and he stepped back up now, but that was defining moment for me. And I remember calling my mama and shaking like, mama, I think I'm psychic. And she was, yeah.

Well, honey, we all know that, but everybody knows but you. I mean, and I'm like, well, shit, I guess it's okay. So that was for me a big defining moment. was, well, it was admitting it, wasn't it?

Speaker 2 (01:35:14.05)
Well, yeah, but that's an interesting response that everyone that they all knew it and that you so there clearly wasn't any conversation about it.

no, my grandmama Modane, my mom's from the Delta, Modane was, Modane's beauty parlor. And so she did everybody's hair. But she, she knew she had the juju big time. And everybody in my family goes, that's just cinnamon. She's like Modane, she's got it. I'm like, well, I come from somebody, I come from all related to all y'all. Y'all got it too. Just nobody wants to admit it but me. But at any rate, and now it's like so.

tried and true and proven over all these years, my family just doesn't question. Like, you know, hey, where are my sunglasses? I go, yeah, they're under the ba-ba-ba. You left them in your car under the seat or.

Question number two, imagine you're creating a spiritual survival kit for someone who's just starting on their journey. What three items or practices would you put in it?

Mmm. See, I'm a big believer in it. It's not the crystals or the chicken bones or the tarot cards or the runes or whatever. It's you. So anything I would think would be most important is to just say, my highest level, most loving spirit guides, just keep me bubbled so I can be wide the hell open and experience everything to the degree in which my body is capable and comfortable. Really, that's it.

Speaker 1 (01:36:39.35)
and then meditate and see where it goes. Right? Because meditation is not staring at a candle for an hour. Meditation is closing your eyes and watching the show. It's watching the show of your mind go and go and go and go. And after that 20 minutes, then the good stuff happens, you know? After that 20 minutes of you sitting there going,

Oh, should have got clothes in the dryer. No, I'm meditating, I'm meditating. Oh, gotta write dog food down on the list. No, I'm meditating, I'm Like, that's our 20 minutes of meditation. That's what we all do, right? Our brain's like, but after that, it's the good stuff that happens. And so I think in the toolkit, it's just a, my highest level, most loving spirit guides, help me out. Make sure that I'm bubbled so I can fly and go and experience and see and absorb everything within the safety of the bubble you put me in.

Clear your house out. Well, and even if it's clapping walking through your house and clapping to go any kind of icky sticky energy Get the hell out of here ain't got time for that ain't nobody got time for that Get out of here

Perfect. I think that that's real important. Interestingly enough, you sort of touched on this last question in our conversation earlier. What do you like to listen to that brings you back to center? Well, music is what came to my mind with the question. Then I thought, you know what, it could be anything. Sometimes I like to listen to silence, personally.

What do mean?

Speaker 1 (01:37:56.578)
Music is medicine.

Speaker 1 (01:38:03.146)
The proper terminology is called tinnitus, right? It's ringing in my ears. It's tinnitus, but I'm from Mississippi, so we say tinnitus. So I got tinnitus all day, every day. It never changes. It drives me nuts. So silence kind of makes me bug-eyed. But I usually have meditation music on. I have to have my body. Has to have mood lighting. Soft music. I have to have soft bedding. Things to smell good. I have to have quiet. I can't have chaos. I'm like...

I'm undomesticated. I'm like a little non-human animal. I hate popping balloons and fireworks. I don't like crowds. I don't like yelling. I can't handle any. mean, I can. I can handle whatever you throw my way. Because Lord, I know how to shut it all down and power through. But that's an awful feeling, isn't it? I don't want to live like that anymore.

So I love actually music from India, India drone music, cause that's past life for me that feels really good for me. like Tibetan music. I like music from Nepal. I like, I love diva Primal. I love, what's her name? my gosh. I love her so much. can't think of her name right now. I love singing prayers, singing prayers, but I also love radio head and I love radio head because it's like math. I love rush, the band rush.

I like, I love Tool, I love the band Tool because it's math. It's complicated and deep and very spiritual, even though it seems like it's not. And I love Aguilombardo because when I was little, growing up, we would go to visit my grandmama, Verla Blevins, and she would stack all these records on the old record player and her ceilings were so tall and she'd try to put me down for a nap, but I'm so ADHD, but she'd have record after record and it would be Glenn Miller Orchestra.

Guy Lombardo. And so that music like, sings to my soul. And it's all past life stuff too, you know? I love like tribal music from Africa too, like a get in the groove of that. My body responds to lots of different times and places on this particular planet for sure. I love meditation music, but now it's any meditation music that's just like one chord. Like that just starts to make me go like.

Speaker 1 (01:40:21.004)
my God, I would rather chew temple, I can't handle that. But you know, I love jazz and I love blues and have jazz on all the time. I love reggae because that's what gets your body's heart rate in the perfect rhythm for relaxation. So, my gosh, so much. And I think the birds too, that's a big deal. I like the birds.

I love listening to the birds. I love listening to the critters. I love the ravens. We have lots of ravens up here. They make me laugh. I love it so much. And you know, my, speaking of this, when my son was little, we would go outside and we would practice this. And I'd go, okay, take a deep breath and close your eyes. Tell me what you hear. And he would say, ooh, I hear the birds. And I'd go, okay, farther. Ooh, I hear a dog barking down the hill. Okay, farther. I hear kids laughing.

I hear a carter slamming, farther. I hear the traffic on the freeway, it's Los Angeles, I hear the traffic on the freeway, farther. I hear a plane overhead. So we would just practice feeling and experiencing. And we would go out early in the morning too. And I taught him how to bend his energy when he was little, because we'd have rabbits and coyotes and...

every kind of critter. mean we had a rattlesnake in the living room. They just find my house. I got her out with the broom. It was okay. She was alright. She was just confused. know, we just get the animals out and get her out with the broom and tarantulas on the patio and bobcats on the porch and this is just my life. That's how a bear in the backyard, I mean, you name it. Where was I going? I don't even remember where I was going with all of that. But oh, bending the energy because if you go out early in the morning the little rabbits are out there playing, you know.

when it's just before it gets light, before the hawks start flying. And so we would go out and I would go, now practice, remember that you're in a don't walk up straight on like this, curve your energy, curve your body, look and look away. And then the rabbits will stay. Because even if you're a little one, a little, know, because anybody aged seven and under are called littles, even if you're a little and you get so excited, your energy comes flying out of you, you curve it around so you don't startle the animals around you.

Speaker 1 (01:42:38.85)
So he learned at a young age about all of that, you know, because he saw dead people all the time. So we called him ghosties with the mosties so he wouldn't get freaked out. So I taught him how to move his energy around so he wouldn't be afraid and he could draw the animals in and let them play in front of him and not run off. So I listened to all manner of things. So that's another long-winded answer.

There you go. I like that and I think that it's important and it's going to become more important to have mentors for these new kids as we've talked about these new generations.

Yep, they got the power, they don't know how to wield it.

Most of the people who mentor aren't open like you are. It's time to grow some mentors also and expand and claim and own it what we have to help this next generation. Right now, it's so important that we build and create a bridge as we're moving into this new time. So any last thoughts you want to leave before we finish?

They're putting this in my head, so I'm gonna say this, and when I first started this out all those decades ago, that particular group of guides came in and said, no, no, no, Cinnamon, you're not learning how to do it, you're remembering how to do it. You've done it over and over and over and over and over. And I think that's really what we can all tap into. Like, no, no, silly, you're not learning how to do it, you're remembering how to do it. Allow your power to flood back into you.

Speaker 1 (01:44:10.414)
The only person who knows what's right for you is you. You know what's right for you. Your body will tell you. And trust that above anybody. For sure, trust that above me. It ain't your mama, it ain't me, it ain't your best friend. It's you. And that's what growing up means. Trust in yourself above everybody else. So there you are.

Powerful words to finish up with. Much gratitude. This has certainly been an incredibly rich conversation. Thank you for your wisdom, your insights, your fun and your joy that you've brought with this. Just great energy. Thank you for being on the show. Thank you for being your authentic self-cinnamon and being so open.

Well thank you. I get to be here. Are you kidding? This is fantastic. my god.

For all our listeners out there, I also want to send you a big thank you for taking time out of your day to join us until next time. Remember, embrace that wild soul. Thank you, Sid.

Thank you.

Speaker 2 (01:45:05.944)
Thank you for joining us for this episode of Wild Soul Gathering's Happy Hour for the Spiritually Curious. To learn more about our guests, please go to our website, WildSoulsGathering.com. We're very eager to hear from our listeners what you thought of the episode, topics you might like us to cover in the future, your thoughts on spirituality, questions you may have. Please feel free to send us an email at WildSoulsGathering.gmail.com.

This is your host, Dr. Sandra Marie, sending each of you peace and love. Until we meet again, embrace your wild soul.